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    Tom
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    Hi Jamie

    I noticed you’d responded to Matty Cohen’s November 2015 blog post about the future of Canvas and the prospect of Canvas 6 coming as the result of a major re-write. It all seems to have gone quiet and, whilst I’m holding out for an announcement at the WooConf on Weds this week (although having looked through the list of speakers and topics I can’t find any leads), I’m getting itchy feet: there are still lots of things about Canvas that frustrate me, Uno and Duo are no longer supported and sometimes I just feel lazy and drool over the Genesis child themes and the prospect of a quick win without having to do much layout work :(

    So, I’m holding out for Canvas, although whether I’d make the same decision if I were looking for a theme framework right now is debatable – the lack of updates is frustrating – but I’m also interested in 18Tags. I know it’s a totally separate product, but can you clarify whether the functions of many of your Canvas extensions such as Page Customiser, Menu Customiser etc are absorbed into / present in 18Tags i.e, or will it too evolve via extensions?

    Cheers, Tom

    #33644
    Jamie Marsland
    Keymaster

    Hi Tom,

    That’s a good question,

    WooThemes are now taking a different approach to Canvas – so instead of re-writing they are going to evolve it going forward.

    Their focus now is really woocommmerce hence the slowdown on canvas updates over the past year.

    In terms of our approach – we took all our learning from being big fans of canvas over the past 5 years and built that functionality into 18tags.

    Canvas still has it’s place in our armoury but you’ll see more and more updates going into 18tags pro over the coming year. These won’t be as extensions, but will be part of the core product :)

    I hope that makes sense,
    Jamie

    #33676
    Tom
    Participant

    Thanks Jamie, that makes sense. I guess I should have been more direct and asked whether pootlepress, as a company that have obviously invested a lot in Canvas, believe it has a future?

    I’m still using it, and still love it and think that it’s great – absolutely no doubts about that – but I suppose like a lot of people I look occasionally for a bit of reassurance that I’m doing the right thing without at the same time getting too distracted by fashions or what happens to be the coolest product right now. So I’m not sure what alarms me most about Canvas: the fact that it’s almost disappeared from any recent reviews of theme frameworks (I can’t even find a review of it post 2013-14, at which point it was holding its own against Genesis), or the sense that nobody seems to have noticed. Even Woo seem – imo – to be half heartedly telling people that they’re still committed, but I’m feeling unconvinced as to why a company would let one of its core products fade away if they intended to keep updating it :(

    Of course I’ll give 18Tags a spin, but am I right in thinking that your page editor works with Genesis too? If so, is it a direct equivalent to Design Palette Pro?

    Cheers as ever, Tom

    #33915
    Jamie Marsland
    Keymaster

    Hi Tom,

    Apologies for the delay, I’ve been working in india for the past week with sporadic internet access.

    Yes we still use Canvas for building websites :)

    But my thoughts are that woo are really now more and more focused on ecommerce and woocommerce so canvas will get less development resource – this has certainly happened over the past couple of years – but it’s still a great theme :)

    Yes our page builder works with Genesis – and we have a pro version coming out soon which i’ve already tested with Genesis and it works beautifully,

    And yes, you should also give 18tags a spin – it’s pretty cool,
    jamie

    #33932
    Tom
    Participant

    Thanks Jamie!

    I’ll download 18tags tonight and have a play. Perhaps I haven’t looked in the right places, but is there a comparison of the lite vs pro versions?

    And a pro version of Page Builder? Really? That’s fabulous! :)

    #33957
    Tom
    Participant

    Ah OK, the lite version of 18tags is the same as the pro, but without premium support.

    #33958
    Jamie Marsland
    Keymaster

    Hi Tom,

    Nope, it’s more exciting than that :)

    18tags pro has a super elegant built in front end drag and drop page builder :)

    Here’s the videos http://jamiemarsland.wpengine.com/18tags-pro/

    Jamie

    #33965
    Tom
    Participant

    Wow! I’d completely missed that and hadn’t appreciated that the difference went beyond support.

    I tried the lite version on the train this morning and its a lovely theme. Got the header and menus customised really easily. I’ll try out your home page tutorials tonight.

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